Yahoo try to eliminate 2.0 Hugh Heffner

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You can get 15 years for 'model supplement tablets' in Indonesia, but dont scrape those Web 1.5 companies CraigsList and now Yahoo-Flickr (a 1.0 + 2.0 merger = 1.5 company) The latest update here, Flickrlicio.us is now free. Its not because they have 8 digit billion mkt-cap shareholders/lawyers : But if you offer a (competitive) "local community classifieds" model (oodle-craigslist) or a (competitive) "longtail monetisation image site" (caterina-anil-nickstarr) you will have the robot stopping you scraping. Nick Starr, who runs flickrlicio.us, the Hugh Heffner of Open API babes, has had Flickr turn off the photos he uses to run his supremely selected non algorithmised service. Nick may well become the Larry Flynt of Web 2.0 (starring Kate Moss) Have no doubt here, Nick Starr may be friends with Dawn and Drew, visit them at East Coast parties funded by Kleiner/Sequioa cashola, supplemented by postal cash deposits to the Dawn Element/t**ie fund, but Yahoo's attack on flickrlicio.us' service is unfortunate. Not every one wants to look only at barely clad celebrities captured by paparazzi in compromising and raw situations. (Aniston providing Vaughn with a macchiato in tracksuit eg) However, I also never shared the 2.0 hope that open API's would ever work outside of a parent company directive. (having been in an equatable media/online company situation before) I do hope that Yahoo-Flickr at least optimise a physical producer with relevant psychographic experience (unlike their Bangalore Podcasts) to deliver an 'interestingness' babe 'cluster' that is better than Nicks' flickrlicio.us. Which will be very hard because Nick is the epitomy of Wikipedia or obsessed experts who in another world would have a sweet Notting Hill or NoHo East Coast Pad working for the latest hip lads mag : But he chose the web, and we all benefited. How easy the Web 1.5 forget. Time to find the anti-scraping robots. An edited but impassioned and correct plea for help from the 2.0 Heff Flynt :

"FlickrLicio.us, a website that I started and after talking with the owner.. has seemingly been blocked by Flickr/Yahoo. The site operates on the basis that Flickr “makes it possible to post images hosted on Flickr to outside websites. This use is accepted (and even encouraged!). However, pages on other websites which display images hosted on flickr.com must provide a link back to Flickr from each photo to its photo page on Flickr.” - Per the Flickr TOS. The nature of the site is and shouldn’t be the matter at hand. The site operates under full compliance of the Flickr TOS. I have personally emailed with Butterfield and Heather Champ about the site. Heather asked me to remove any posts that contain links back to the pictures hosted on Flickr if the owner of the photo asks me to do so. I and the current owner, have complied with every single request that has come in to remove a post that someone requests be removed. What the site is trying to do is the same thing that any person might want. Combing thru to find the content geared to a specific audience. On Flickr there are (and I am not aware of the exact numbers) but seemingly thousands of pictures posted daily to the site. If you wanted only photos of houses you could search for under the tag “houses” on Flickr, but you certainly won’t find all of the results. FlickrLicio.us does the grunt work for you. The site searches all of the popular tags for the specific content a viewer might want based on FlickrLicio.us’ specific genre the site caters to. FlickrLicio.us doesn’t stop there. The site also browses hundreds of photo groups as well as specific members photo pages that it as accumulated as having content geared to it’s genre. It is a tool for public consumption of a specific genre of content hosted on Flickr. So why shut down a tool? Would they shut down a site that combs thru for pictures of houses? With all of the subdomains on FlickrLicio.us, there have been over 15,000 photos displayed, which the competition cannot even come close to matching, and FlickrLicio.us wasn’t first to the plate on this. FlickrLicio.us is simply the best service for finding pictures of this specific genre from Flickr on the entire internet. Outrage? Of course. Why would they choose to target the site? This site and it’s method was a labor of love so to say of mine. I noticed a need and I filled it. Copyright is controlled by the poster of the picture. If they delete the photo from Flickr, it’s not on FlickrLicio.us. If they contact FlickrLicio.us, they remove the post. The picture NEVER is copied off of Flickr. They are simply hyperlinked via Flickr’s “Blog This” service….which as previously mentioned…they encourage. Okay so what about Non-Commercial uses? Are there ads on FlickrLicio.us? Yep! Are there ads on every other site that offers the same type service? YEP! Does nearly every single blog out there that posts pictures from Flickr have at least some Google Ads? YEP! Are they going to go after every single person who is posting Flickr pictures that has ads on it? It would be impossible. FlickrLicio.us has NEVER made a single cent in profit. The ads that are on the site have not yielded a single cent in a check or deposit for the owner of the site. How can it be a commercial site if it hasn’t made a single cent, and isn’t selling anything from the site? The owner of the site has sent emails to Stewart and Heather as well as Caterina Fake .. addressing the concerns it has. There has not been any reply to a single piece of communication. So why is Flickr saying they want Web 2.0 and social networking, but shutting down access to people who try to socially network with them? If you don’t agree with censorship, and have something to say about Flickr/Yahoo’s double standard please comment or send feedback"

Stewart Butterfield's comments about banning flickrlicio.us, who is a flickr cofounder are pretty weak, similar to Caterina Fake's, as much as I'm predisposed to like them as 1.5 cashed out slacking intellectuals. Let's face it, how Flickr is now monetised and how/if that is shared with content generators is not really their issue now, not at least since they sold their company (hello riya's image adsense like program !!!) ; They seem in denial that flickr has T+A on it, and that people that put photos on flickr are no different from bloggers, and should share in the ad revenue. All a question of timing, earnout, university dreams and apartment fitouts I guess" :

(1) Flicklicious is a business. Flickr isn’t around to serve businesses, but people - we’re quite upfront about the “for personal use” thing.

(2) Each Flickrlicious page served ~2-4MB of photos from Flickr. It’s also a popular site. That adds up to gigs and gigs and gigs of transfer a month. Good for Flickrlicious since it saves on bandwidth (and hosting) costs. But it’s bad for Flickr and is an abuse of a system designed to help people get their photos out onto the rest of the web, and not lock them up in Flickr. To be perfectly honest, we definitely don’t like the T&A or XXX angles and we don’t want it associated with the Flickr brand, but that is definitely not the issue. The same thing would happen to an ad-based site serving Flickr photos about horses or sailboats or boogers."

NickStarr, showing his "edited" passion is more than the revenue, let alone the profit has announced that flickrlicio.us is now ad-free, asking for flickr's reasonableness : "This is a general announcement for everyone following the current Flickr / FlickrLicio.us issue. As of 1pm EST today, FlickrLicio.us and ALL of its subdomains will be 100% ad free. Flickr inserts ads in their site for non-paying members. They are making money off of YOUR pictures.. The site is and will never be a commercial venture, simply a person blogging content they find on Flickr to be visually appealing. It is just like ANY weblog.. This covers Stewart’s issue 1: Flicklicious is a business. (2) Each Flickrlicious page served ~2-4MB of photos from Flickr. This can be easily solved. Simply tell me specifically how many pictures maximum you want on the main page. Currently there were 32. What is an acceptable number? FlickrLicio.us would even be willing to cache the photos on its own server, using FlickrLicio.us’ bandwidth for hosting of the photos; however there is the issue of copyright that would come into play. If you know of a solution to this the site can COMPLETELY operate free of Flickr bandwidth. Finally, you have stated that the content is not the issue, yet you don’t wish this content related to Flickr. I find this issue a bit difficult to understand, as that YOU are hosting this content. You are the one serving it up to anyone who comes along and finds it on the site. This content IS associated with your site, as well as all of the other content you serve up. Unless you want to block or prevent people from uploading these types of pictures, you will be in an association with these types of content."

"FlickrLicio.us is NOT a business; it is a personal weblog, ie blog, nothing more. At FlickrLicio.us we truly believe in the content, and could care less about financial gain. Content is king. Can Flickr remove the block on the site now? We have complied 100% with your issues."

Caterina : When it's raining cats and dogs, you've got to cut corners because you could get your eyes peeled. You must come to grips with yourself until you fly off the handle & then if you're not fit as a fiddle you'll spill the beans. That's hitting below the belt with the short end of the stick, if I can bring the point home ladies.

Blow Dried Jerk: Uh, Mr. Flynt? I don't wanna step on your toes but things have changed since you were actively running the company. I mean I look back at the stuff you did in the 70s and it was uh sorta racy and crazy. But the country is different now. Reagan has rebuilt America and the moral majority is gaining power.
Larry Flynt: You're fired.
Blow Dried Jerk: Excuse me?
Larry Flynt: You get the fuck out of my building. Doug get him out of here. You blow dryed jerk mother fucker. Take him out of here and throw him in the incinerator, cut him to little pieces and feed him to the animals out there. Get out of here.